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	<title>Comments on: The Worship of Villains</title>
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		<title>By: linds</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2009/03/the-worship-of-villains/comment-page-1/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>linds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the modern phenomenon of tyranny owes a lot to the cult of personality 20th century totalitarians and their champions managed to foster - the Mao/Stalin/Hitler/etc worship really isn&#039;t surprising in that respect.
As for Genghis Khan... on the one hand, of course he committed horrible atrocities in his time.  On the other, he was very much a product of his time, and his brutality to maintain power was no more horrific than that used by the legitimate emperors of China or other empires in that period, so perhaps the Houston museum isn&#039;t insane to step back and try and take a more nuanced look at him as a leader, especially considering he&#039;s been demonized for most of history.
In fact, I think the answer to your first question might be found in the Houston museum&#039;s approach.  We don&#039;t learn much by demonizing historical figures, and especially if we refuse to acknowledge any good that came of their rule, we blind ourselves to the dangers of the cult of personality and how it operates.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the modern phenomenon of tyranny owes a lot to the cult of personality 20th century totalitarians and their champions managed to foster &#8211; the Mao/Stalin/Hitler/etc worship really isn&#8217;t surprising in that respect.<br />
As for Genghis Khan&#8230; on the one hand, of course he committed horrible atrocities in his time.  On the other, he was very much a product of his time, and his brutality to maintain power was no more horrific than that used by the legitimate emperors of China or other empires in that period, so perhaps the Houston museum isn&#8217;t insane to step back and try and take a more nuanced look at him as a leader, especially considering he&#8217;s been demonized for most of history.<br />
In fact, I think the answer to your first question might be found in the Houston museum&#8217;s approach.  We don&#8217;t learn much by demonizing historical figures, and especially if we refuse to acknowledge any good that came of their rule, we blind ourselves to the dangers of the cult of personality and how it operates.</p>
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		<title>By: DMD</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been a fan of these shirts: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been a fan of these shirts: <a href="http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: philosopher</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone done a Genghis Khan-face version of the Che shirts? that&#039;d be great.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone done a Genghis Khan-face version of the Che shirts? that&#8217;d be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seymour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  Karl must have written his comment just as I started reading this post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  Karl must have written his comment just as I started reading this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2009/03/the-worship-of-villains/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the problem with the Che shirts is they aren&#039;t worn ironically.  And there you have a summary of the screwed-up, ill-informed world view of young hipsters: GWB is not just an unpopular President, but a monster, and Che Guevara is a cool guy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the problem with the Che shirts is they aren&#8217;t worn ironically.  And there you have a summary of the screwed-up, ill-informed world view of young hipsters: GWB is not just an unpopular President, but a monster, and Che Guevara is a cool guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that the irony would be in the idea that someone decided to compare Bush with Genghis Khan, Che Guevara, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao (and not just in the fact that the person wearing the Bush shirt does not actually like Bush, and is trying to communicate the opposite).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that the irony would be in the idea that someone decided to compare Bush with Genghis Khan, Che Guevara, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao (and not just in the fact that the person wearing the Bush shirt does not actually like Bush, and is trying to communicate the opposite).</p>
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		<title>By: balta1701</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suddenly I have a brilliant idea for a business venture...George W. Bush t shirts...worn ironically...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suddenly I have a brilliant idea for a business venture&#8230;George W. Bush t shirts&#8230;worn ironically&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan K. Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan K. Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marxist figures are idolized because a lot of people have real faith that Marxism holds a key (or *the* key, to actual Marxists as opposed to sympathizers) to lifting up the material well-being of the masses. Such folks also do not realize what natural chain of events follow when a utopian sect achieves absolute power through armed force.
Marxism turns the definition of theft on its head: commerce is theft, stealing the means and fruits of commerce by armed force is liberation. Marxism promises a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat phase that will eventually evolve into 100% communal sharing. We don&#039;t need Lord Acton, Orwell, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/coolio/gangstas+paradise_20033295.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Coolio&lt;/a&gt; that people who achieve this kind of power - and are willing to kill for it - aren&#039;t exactly humanitarians. People who get their jollies taking everyone&#039;s stuff like to keep it for themselves.
The infatuation with Marxists is also blind to their inherent totalitarianism, the logical conclusion of a philosophy that seeks to impose utopia by force. Utopia by definition abolishes social strife, and that can&#039;t happen in a pluralistic society; everyone has to be on board with the same utopian goal. Marxist governments thus seek jurisdiction over everyone&#039;s thought lives.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marxist figures are idolized because a lot of people have real faith that Marxism holds a key (or *the* key, to actual Marxists as opposed to sympathizers) to lifting up the material well-being of the masses. Such folks also do not realize what natural chain of events follow when a utopian sect achieves absolute power through armed force.<br />
Marxism turns the definition of theft on its head: commerce is theft, stealing the means and fruits of commerce by armed force is liberation. Marxism promises a dictatorship-of-the-proletariat phase that will eventually evolve into 100% communal sharing. We don&#8217;t need Lord Acton, Orwell, or <a href="http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/coolio/gangstas+paradise_20033295.html" rel="nofollow">Coolio</a> that people who achieve this kind of power &#8211; and are willing to kill for it &#8211; aren&#8217;t exactly humanitarians. People who get their jollies taking everyone&#8217;s stuff like to keep it for themselves.<br />
The infatuation with Marxists is also blind to their inherent totalitarianism, the logical conclusion of a philosophy that seeks to impose utopia by force. Utopia by definition abolishes social strife, and that can&#8217;t happen in a pluralistic society; everyone has to be on board with the same utopian goal. Marxist governments thus seek jurisdiction over everyone&#8217;s thought lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Beau Goldly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beau Goldly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool. Now I&#039;ll have a logo&#039;d t-shirt to hang next to my Pilate hoody. And an idea for my next tatoo... if I can find space.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. Now I&#8217;ll have a logo&#8217;d t-shirt to hang next to my Pilate hoody. And an idea for my next tatoo&#8230; if I can find space.</p>
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