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October 09, 2007

Of Mars and Venus

John at Confessing Evangelical points us to a fascinating series of excerpts in the Guardian from a new book titled The Myth of Mars and Venus, by Deborah Cameron. Among other things, the book argues that the differences between how men and women communicate are far smaller than we have been led to believe. Perhaps most surprising of all, research suggests that men actually talk more than women. The reason is insightful and may have implications beyond the male/female divide:

The reviewers are inclined to believe that this is a case of gender and amount of talk being linked indirectly rather than directly: the more direct link is with status, in combination with the formality of the setting (status tends to be more relevant in formal situations). The basic trend, especially in formal and public contexts, is for higher-status speakers to talk more than lower-status ones. The gender pattern is explained by the observation that in most contexts where status is relevant, men are more likely than women to occupy high-status positions; if all other things are equal, gender itself is a hierarchical system in which men are regarded as having higher status.
As the book goes on to note, women may indeed talk more in domestic spheres with partners and family, but that is quite possibly because in the domestic sphere, women are often seen as being in charge. Many people may actually believe "women talk more than men" because people believe "women talk too much," which is a completely different argument and a far more patronising one.

Posted by Joshua Claybourn at October 9, 2007 09:38 AM

Comments

Maybe it isn't the volume of talk, but the quality. Maybe the stereotype comes about because women talk about shallow topics like shopping and clothes, while men talk about important stuff like football and motorcycles.

Posted by: wahoofive at October 9, 2007 11:39 AM | permalink

Interesting, but in my opinion the research presented (in the article, at least) doesn't answer the most pertinent questions. It doesn't surprise me that much that in male-female conversations, the sexes talk about the same amount, but what about when men interact with men and women interact with women? And even more importantly, what is the content of men's and women's speech--not just the volume? The prevailing wisdom is that men talk mostly to convey information, whereas for women, emotional interaction is just as important as information exchange.

Posted by: Eric Seymour at October 10, 2007 12:39 PM | permalink

It has been my experience that women are less direct. An example: Several years ago I said to my mother (we live together, she's now 102) that we hadn't had a dog in a long time and I wanted to get one. Her response was "you won't feed and take care of it". What that really meant came out several days later when after thinking to myself that I would feed and take care of it, I brought home a puppy. Her response to my walking in with the puppy in my arms was "that dog is going right back where you got it tomorrow" which shows what she really meant in the first response. I have talked this idea over with male friends one of whom worked as a nurse thus working with many women including superiors and we all agreed that it was a valid observation. By the way we still have the dog and she's a great companion who my mother loves dearly, but that's another story.

Posted by: Mike O at October 10, 2007 03:03 PM | permalink

Two thoughts on Mike O's comment:
(i) This kind of indirect mode of communication is exactly what one would expect from speakers used to thinking of themselves as lower-status speakers, in accord with the claims of the main post.
(ii) You should, as a general rule, more or less completely discount any observations you make of the sort reported here, i.e., anecdotes backed up by others' reports of similar anecdotes. Your initial hypothesis about such putative generalizations is that they are spurious, and the result of confirmation bias. This isn't at all particular to gender-related generalizations. It's just that this form of over-generalization is something that our species is very prone towards. That's what the practices of science are for, in large part -- to help us overcome our own innate epistemic deficiencies.

The wikipedia entry on confirmation bias is pretty good, btw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Posted by: philosopher at October 11, 2007 01:39 PM | permalink

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