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July 19, 2007

Long Time Comin'

I found this quote from Jonah Goldberg's latest column fascinating:

Stephen F. Hayes's riveting new biography, Cheney, recounts a discussion in 1980 at the American Enterprise Institute between two new congressmen, Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich.

"Congress has been a big part of the problem," declared Cheney, a veteran of the Ford administration. "A fundamental problem has been the extent to which we have restrained presidential authority over the last several years. ... We have been concerned with the so-called myth of the imperial presidency."

"We must restore some balance" between Congress and the White House, Cheney insisted.

Gingrich vehemently disagreed. "What we need is a stronger Congress, not a weaker Congress," he shot back. "The greatest danger of the Reagan administration is that conservatives will decide they can trust imperial presidents as long as they are right-wing when they are imperial."

I'd be curious to know if Gingrich still feels that way, now that his hungry eyes seem focused on the presidency. But the Newt of 1980 was definitely on to something. Today, most people object to the imperial presidency only when the other party controls the White House.

I too would be curious to know if Gingrich still holds the same views. My respect for him would increase immensely if he did.

Nevertheless, the above quote shows, if anything, the current Imperial (Vice) Presidency has been a long time coming. And the mood of most of the current GOP establishment and its apologists has been, to butcher an old phrase, "He may be an imperial president, but he's our imperial president." That's not good enough. And it doesn't matter if Bill Clinton did any of the things President Bush has done first. An imperial presidency--be it W! or Hillary! or Rudy!--get its power not just at the expense of Congress, but at our own expense as well.

Posted by David Darlington at July 19, 2007 05:00 PM

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"He may be an imperial president, but he's our imperial president."

When Harriet Miers refused to show up in front of John Conyers' committee, he said, "If we do not enforce this subpoena, no one will ever have to come before the House Judiciary Committee again." When the chairwoman ruled that Miers' claim of executive privilege was invalid, Republicans objected saying Dems were overreaching, and a party line vote on finding her in contempt followed.

I suspect, but hopefully I'm wrong that there will also be a party line vote before the full House.

After that, who knows, although John Dean and lefty blogs have noted that the president appears to be inviting a constitutional fight over Miers. That he and his Justice Dept lawyers appear to believe that our now conservative federal judiciary will rule in their favor.

I'm beginning to have a very sickening feeling about all this. That THIS may have been what stacking the courts with conservative judges was all about.

Thanks to "the current GOP establishment and its apologists," this is some legacy that conservatives are gonna be stuck with...

Posted by: JohnS at July 20, 2007 10:23 AM | permalink

I don't know that Goldberg really has much evidence for the part of his claim that Democrats would be happy for a Democratic president to have such powers. I can't imagine that Democrats would have been happy to trust Pres. Clinton with the kind of lock-'em-up powers that Pres. Bush has claimed for himself. The Democratic Congress in Clinton's first two years weren't in even the same ballpark of ludicrous lap-dogginess that the GOP Congress has been for Pres. Bush. Congressional Democrats tend to enjoy their oversight powers, when they have them.

And JohnS's point is given extra substance by today's news:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902625.html
"But administration officials argued yesterday that Congress has no power to force a U.S. attorney to pursue contempt charges in cases, such as the prosecutor firings, in which the president has declared that testimony or documents are protected from release by executive privilege."

Posted by: philosopher at July 20, 2007 11:09 AM | permalink

David:

"And it doesn't matter if Bill Clinton did any of the things President Bush has done first."

Tell us how this is possible?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 04:03 PM | permalink

(I think you need to parse the "first" as modifying "Bill Clinton did".)

Man, that Goldberg column is a typical dishonest doozy of his, isn't it? Such as how he invoked Wilson's actions without noting that Wilson had to get Congress to pass a law allowing those actions? Or his invocation of Filegate, for which the Whitewater investigation ultimately found no criminal wrongoing, nor any connection whatsoever up to the Clintons? Gotta love the totally undeserved scarequotes he deploys around "accidentally"... what a complete ass. Pretty much everything that man writes contains excellent reasons to ignore the rest of everything else that he writes, and this recent column is no exception.

Posted by: philosopher at July 20, 2007 04:24 PM | permalink

I need to parse a direct quote?

Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 04:58 PM | permalink

Well, yeah, inasmuch as you need to parse every single sentence that you comprehend! (Maybe you don't know what "parse" means...?)

Anyway, usually there's not a lot of choice as to how to parse what, but in the sentence in question, the "first" has two different clauses it could grammatically be modifying, so it is structurally ambiguous. Your sense that the sentence is saying something impossible is due to your parsing it to modify "President Bush has done", but the better parsing would have it modify "Bill Clinton did".

Posted by: philosopher at July 20, 2007 05:18 PM | permalink

That reply made my hair hurt.

Posted by: Anonymous at July 20, 2007 05:23 PM | permalink

lol anon, if I had any hair I would pull it out trying to decipher.

Posted by: NB at July 20, 2007 06:24 PM | permalink

Anon:

how about: "It doesn't matter if Bill Clinton first did any of the imperial things George Bush has done (or been accused of)".

One reason why many of us support small government is that the "good guys" won't always be in power. Or, the "good guys" often turn out to be "bad guys."

Posted by: David Darlington at July 29, 2007 02:59 PM | permalink

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