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May 16, 2007
The Second "Debate"
As is my rule, I didn't watch the second GOP "debate" the other night. For one thing, I'm really upset that the campaign has started so early, and I'm loathe to dignify a 24-month election season by commenting on any of these yahoos. For another, I think every single one of the current contenders is worthless -- except for Ron Paul, who apparently distinguished himself last night by drawing Rudy's mendacious ire. So a front-runner can misrepresent the position of the only small government candidate and win big? I grow ever more disenchanted with the national GOP.
A roundup of libertarian reactions to Giuliani's hit below the fold. [Updated]
Michael Hampton:
Citing the Central Intelligence Agency's "blowback" principle, Paul explained that U.S. intervention in Middle Eastern affairs over the past several decades contributed to anti-American sentiment and helped create enemies, some of whom are today's terrorists. This didn't go over too well with Rudy Giuliani, who seems to know little about U.S. foreign policy for someone who supposedly led his city through the worst international terrorist attack in U.S. history.
Andrew Sullivan:
Giuliani, interestingly, openly lied about Ron Paul's position on 9/11. Paul specifically did not make a statement, as Giuliani immediately claimed, that the U.S. invited 9/11. I rewound to double-check. It was the Fox questioner who ratcheted up the stakes on that question, not Paul. Paul demurred on a specific answer and switched the question to the general issue of blowback. As to who's right, the answer is both.
Gene Healy:
Remember, the war on terror, Giuliani says, is something he understands "better than anyone else running for president." The sad fact is, that might even be true, considering everyone else up on that stage except for Paul. But it's sort of like winning "Best Complexion" at the Leper Colony.
Jesse Walker:
The way I see it, there's three possibilities here:- Giuliani lives in a bubble so thick it makes the president look well-informed. He really has never heard the blowback theory before, even though it is common currency in policy circles.
- Giuliani is familiar with the blowback theory, but is distorting Paul's views by suggesting America's air raids on Iraq were supposed to be the only intervention precipitating 9/11. (Along similar lines, you'll note that he effectively attributes to Paul the phrase "invited the attack" even though it was the moderator, not the congressman, who used that term.)
- Giuliani wasn't being that crafty. He is aware that the bombings were not America's only Middle Eastern intervention of the '90s, and he knows that Paul knows this too. He is familiar with the blowback theory and was just playing dumb for the crowd. Put more succinctly, he's a dishonest demagogue.
David Weigel:
Prediction: The overlap between people who thought the Democrats were wrong to purge Joe Lieberman and people who think the GOP would be right to purge Ron Paul will be around 100 percent.
Radley Balko:
As for Saudi Arabia, seems odd that a man who got paid to help improve the image of the country that produced 16 of the 19 September 11 hijackers, and that continues to fund, foster, and protect hateful anti-west, anti-liberal propaganda within its borders, would have the gall to lecture Ron Paul about his war on terror bona fides. Someone needs to ask Giuliani about his representation of the Saudi government in the next debate.
Posted by Zach Wendling at May 16, 2007 03:27 PM
A roundup of libertarian reactions to Giuliani's hit below the fold.
Is that like a hit below the belt?
Posted by: wahoofive at May 16, 2007 04:37 PM | permalink
I think Giuliani is right. There is no way we invited Iraq to attack us on 9/11 and Ron Paul is disgusting when he suggests that we invited Iraq to attack us on 9/11.
Posted by: Gregory Travis at May 17, 2007 08:07 AM | permalink
The 9/11 attack did not come out of nowhere or because of excessive, irrational hatred on the part of binLaden and his followers. They had very specific goals they wanted to accomplish with them.
Ron Paul suggested that we would have been smarter if we had listened to the terrorists' reasons for the attack.
He then repeats what bin Laden has openly said before: that bin Laden was hoping to do exactly the same thing to the U.S. that he/we did to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan -- draw us into a long protracted war in Afghanistan that would drain our treasury and wear down our military. Bin Laden gambled that the 9/11 attacks would be an irresistable lure for Bush. Except that at first, Bush fooled bin Laden in Afghanistan. Then the president proceeded to walk right into Bin Laden's trap in Iraq.
Why? Bin Laden's reasons for doing all that had nothing to do with his hatred of us, or a hatred for democracy. His original stated goal for al Qaeda was to bring down the corrupt gov'ts of Egypt and Saudi Arabia. In order to do that, he had to first get their biggest backer/protector out of the Middle East. That, of course, would be us, and he hoped that a bankrupted America with a decimated military would accomplish that.
Ron Paul did not say we invited the 9/11 attack, that was how the questioner chose to mis-frame Paul's first answer. Rudy used the questioner's mis-frame to demagogue Ron Paul in true GOP fashion.
Posted by: JohnS at May 17, 2007 01:07 PM | permalink
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