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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/11/off_years_and_random_thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-19896</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the additional information. Of course, all I&#039;d heard about was Intelligent Design + 8 ousted school board members.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the additional information. Of course, all I&#8217;d heard about was Intelligent Design + 8 ousted school board members.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/11/off_years_and_random_thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-19895</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dover school board election has also been over-hyped.  Though the ID issue was certainly prominent during the campaign, it&#039;s still a stretch to interpret the challenger candidates&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_3198408&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;narrow victory&lt;/a&gt; as a repudiation of including ID concepts in science classes.  For one thing, there is a teachers&#039; union contract currently under negotiation (the previous contract ran out in June), and the incumbents were criticized not only for the ID policy they implemented, but also for their poor relationship with the public--presumably on other issues in addition to the ID policy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dover school board election has also been over-hyped.  Though the ID issue was certainly prominent during the campaign, it&#8217;s still a stretch to interpret the challenger candidates&#8217; <a href="http://www.yorkdispatch.com/local/ci_3198408" rel="nofollow">narrow victory</a> as a repudiation of including ID concepts in science classes.  For one thing, there is a teachers&#8217; union contract currently under negotiation (the previous contract ran out in June), and the incumbents were criticized not only for the ID policy they implemented, but also for their poor relationship with the public&#8211;presumably on other issues in addition to the ID policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that I get along with conservatives when we discuss how things are. It&#039;s when we discuss how things ought to be that opinions diverge.
I find the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110900114.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Dover, PA school board elections&lt;/a&gt; to be more significant, somehow, than the bigger elections.
&lt;blockquote&gt;      Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class, ousting  eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the concept stripped from the science curriculum.
The election unfolded amid a landmark federal trial involving the Dover public schools and the question of whether intelligent design promotes the Bible&#039;s view of creation. Eight Dover families sued, saying it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Dover&#039;s school board adopted a policy in October 2004 that requires ninth-graders to hear a prepared statement about intelligent design before learning about evolution in biology class.
Eight of the nine school board members were up for election Tuesday. They were challenged by a slate of Democrats who argued that science class was not the appropriate forum for teaching intelligent design. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t know that it means anything on a national level, but I hope it will make lawmakers cautious before trying to stick Intelligent Design into science classes. (Personally, I would have no problem with ID being taught in a Humanities class of some sort.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that I get along with conservatives when we discuss how things are. It&#8217;s when we discuss how things ought to be that opinions diverge.<br />
I find the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/09/AR2005110900114.html" rel="nofollow"> Dover, PA school board elections</a> to be more significant, somehow, than the bigger elections.</p>
<blockquote><p>      Voters came down hard Tuesday on school board members who backed a statement on intelligent design being read in biology class, ousting  eight Republicans and replacing them with Democrats who want the concept stripped from the science curriculum.<br />
The election unfolded amid a landmark federal trial involving the Dover public schools and the question of whether intelligent design promotes the Bible&#8217;s view of creation. Eight Dover families sued, saying it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.<br />
Dover&#8217;s school board adopted a policy in October 2004 that requires ninth-graders to hear a prepared statement about intelligent design before learning about evolution in biology class.<br />
Eight of the nine school board members were up for election Tuesday. They were challenged by a slate of Democrats who argued that science class was not the appropriate forum for teaching intelligent design. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that it means anything on a national level, but I hope it will make lawmakers cautious before trying to stick Intelligent Design into science classes. (Personally, I would have no problem with ID being taught in a Humanities class of some sort.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/11/off_years_and_random_thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-19893</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  And for once, I agree with Doug.  In both these races, the Democrats were the incumbent party.  If Kilgore or Forrester would have pulled off a win, that would have been a major gain for the GOP.
I get the feeling from reading national news sources that there&#039;s some big-time (very premature) gloating going on in newsrooms across the country today.  No doubt it reflects pent-up frustration from one year ago.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  And for once, I agree with Doug.  In both these races, the Democrats were the incumbent party.  If Kilgore or Forrester would have pulled off a win, that would have been a major gain for the GOP.<br />
I get the feeling from reading national news sources that there&#8217;s some big-time (very premature) gloating going on in newsrooms across the country today.  No doubt it reflects pent-up frustration from one year ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it may have been Ken Mehlman (but I&#039;m not sure) who said something to the effect of, the Democrats won these races in 2001, and it will mean the same thing for them in 2006 as it meant for them in 2002: nothing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it may have been Ken Mehlman (but I&#8217;m not sure) who said something to the effect of, the Democrats won these races in 2001, and it will mean the same thing for them in 2006 as it meant for them in 2002: nothing.</p>
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