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		<title>By: Nick Blesch</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/10/initial_reaction_to_alito/comment-page-1/#comment-17156</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Blesch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 07:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg:  fair enough.  :-D
Nonetheless, from Julian Sanchez:  &lt;i&gt;The disagreement here isn&#039;t over whether carrying out unauthorized strips searches as such violates the Fourth Amendment—if a judge thought that were permitted, it would surely be a dealbreaker. Instead, the opinions reveal a dispute over whether the officers had a good-faith belief that their request to search all occupants at the premises had been incorporated into the warrant. On the basis of my skim, I&#039;m inclined to prefer the majority&#039;s take, but Alito&#039;s dissent isn&#039;t as awful or crazy as the precis above would suggest.&lt;/i&gt;
http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005/10/wow_a_nominee_w.shtml
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:  fair enough.  <img src='http://www.intheagora.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Nonetheless, from Julian Sanchez:  <i>The disagreement here isn&#8217;t over whether carrying out unauthorized strips searches as such violates the Fourth Amendment—if a judge thought that were permitted, it would surely be a dealbreaker. Instead, the opinions reveal a dispute over whether the officers had a good-faith belief that their request to search all occupants at the premises had been incorporated into the warrant. On the basis of my skim, I&#8217;m inclined to prefer the majority&#8217;s take, but Alito&#8217;s dissent isn&#8217;t as awful or crazy as the precis above would suggest.</i><br />
<a href="http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005/10/wow_a_nominee_w.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2005/10/wow_a_nominee_w.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The strip-search/warrant dissent by Alito was fairly disturbing to me. The warrant itself gave permission to search &quot;John Doe.&quot; The warrant application had requested permission to search &quot;John Doe&quot; and everyone else on the premises.
The warrant application was apparently attached to the warrant and was even referenced in a couple of places in the warrant. But, the part of the warrant describing who was to be searched did not reference the application.
The majority said that the officer wasn&#039;t allowed to search the girl in the absence of a warrant and the warrant didn&#039;t grant permission for such a search. Alito, on the other hand, wanted to look beyond the face of the warrant to divine the intent of the magistrate who issued the warrant. Alito was apparently reasoning that the magistrate &quot;really meant to include everyone else.&quot; Never mind what the warrant actually said. This is incongruous for someone who is supposedly a &quot;strict constructionist.&quot; If he&#039;s willing to reach that far beyond something as simple as a warrant, what kind of tricks will he be willing to play with the Constitution?
In fairness, however, this is the one and only opinion of his that I&#039;ve read. Maybe it&#039;s an aberration.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strip-search/warrant dissent by Alito was fairly disturbing to me. The warrant itself gave permission to search &#8220;John Doe.&#8221; The warrant application had requested permission to search &#8220;John Doe&#8221; and everyone else on the premises.<br />
The warrant application was apparently attached to the warrant and was even referenced in a couple of places in the warrant. But, the part of the warrant describing who was to be searched did not reference the application.<br />
The majority said that the officer wasn&#8217;t allowed to search the girl in the absence of a warrant and the warrant didn&#8217;t grant permission for such a search. Alito, on the other hand, wanted to look beyond the face of the warrant to divine the intent of the magistrate who issued the warrant. Alito was apparently reasoning that the magistrate &#8220;really meant to include everyone else.&#8221; Never mind what the warrant actually said. This is incongruous for someone who is supposedly a &#8220;strict constructionist.&#8221; If he&#8217;s willing to reach that far beyond something as simple as a warrant, what kind of tricks will he be willing to play with the Constitution?<br />
In fairness, however, this is the one and only opinion of his that I&#8217;ve read. Maybe it&#8217;s an aberration.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;there&#039;s no way 65% of ordinary Americans are crazy-right-wing.&lt;/i&gt;
That&#039;s not what the 5.5 billion non-Americans on the planet believe.  :-)
greg
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>there&#8217;s no way 65% of ordinary Americans are crazy-right-wing.</i><br />
That&#8217;s not what the 5.5 billion non-Americans on the planet believe.  <img src='http://www.intheagora.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
greg</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Blesch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Blesch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_10_30-2005_11_05.shtml#1130794255&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click this link&lt;/a&gt; for a ton of surveys and relevant links showing that &quot;ordinary Americans&quot; in all demographics highly favor spousal notification laws.
Regardless of whether one agrees with Alito&#039;s dissent or not, it would certainly be unfair to characterize it as crazy-right-wing; there&#039;s no way 65% of ordinary Americans are crazy-right-wing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_10_30-2005_11_05.shtml#1130794255" rel="nofollow">Click this link</a> for a ton of surveys and relevant links showing that &#8220;ordinary Americans&#8221; in all demographics highly favor spousal notification laws.<br />
Regardless of whether one agrees with Alito&#8217;s dissent or not, it would certainly be unfair to characterize it as crazy-right-wing; there&#8217;s no way 65% of ordinary Americans are crazy-right-wing.</p>
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		<title>By: Balta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hanspeter...&lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/3rd/024532p.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is the opinion in the case you requested.  The case involved the police serving a warrant on a house where the warrant was against the husband, and the police decidign to strip search the wife and daughter while they were there.  The Supreme Court upheld the lower court, 6-3 I believe, thus disagreeing with his dissent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hanspeter&#8230;<a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/3rd/024532p.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the opinion in the case you requested.  The case involved the police serving a warrant on a house where the warrant was against the husband, and the police decidign to strip search the wife and daughter while they were there.  The Supreme Court upheld the lower court, 6-3 I believe, thus disagreeing with his dissent.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanspeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanspeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The case I&#039;m hearing a lot on is the one where he supposedly wrote strip searching 10 year olds w/out parental consent was OK.  I realize that&#039;s probably a (gross) distortion that&#039;s being passed around, but I haven&#039;t been able to find a good description of 1) the case, 2) the opinion he wrote, and 3) whether the SC agreed/disagreed on appeal (if there was one).  Can someone here who has more information on the case explain it to a non-legal person what it was really all about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case I&#8217;m hearing a lot on is the one where he supposedly wrote strip searching 10 year olds w/out parental consent was OK.  I realize that&#8217;s probably a (gross) distortion that&#8217;s being passed around, but I haven&#8217;t been able to find a good description of 1) the case, 2) the opinion he wrote, and 3) whether the SC agreed/disagreed on appeal (if there was one).  Can someone here who has more information on the case explain it to a non-legal person what it was really all about.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnS</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to define my use of the term &quot;ordinary Americans&quot; as being those who think that it is not our government&#039;s place to tell a woman what to do in such situations, one way or the other. I haven&#039;t done any surveys lately though Ed, so you got me there!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to define my use of the term &#8220;ordinary Americans&#8221; as being those who think that it is not our government&#8217;s place to tell a woman what to do in such situations, one way or the other. I haven&#8217;t done any surveys lately though Ed, so you got me there!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the invocation of &quot;ordinary Americans&quot;...as opposed to what? I&#039;m sure the pro-choice organizations will mount a major offensive on Alito, but they tried to do that to Roberts as well and it wasn&#039;t terribly effective. The difficulty, of course, is that an appeals court judge must follow precedent. On the one hand, you have his dissent in &lt;i&gt;Planned Parenthood v Casey&lt;/i&gt;. On the other hand, you have his vote in &lt;i&gt;Planned Parenthood v Farmer&lt;/i&gt;, which has gotten far less attention because it hasn&#039;t gone to the Supreme Court. In that case, Alito concurred in a ruling striking down New Jersey&#039;s ban on partial birth abortions. So does that make him anti-abortion or pro-abortion? Neither, so far as we know. In both cases, he attempted to apply precedent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the invocation of &#8220;ordinary Americans&#8221;&#8230;as opposed to what? I&#8217;m sure the pro-choice organizations will mount a major offensive on Alito, but they tried to do that to Roberts as well and it wasn&#8217;t terribly effective. The difficulty, of course, is that an appeals court judge must follow precedent. On the one hand, you have his dissent in <i>Planned Parenthood v Casey</i>. On the other hand, you have his vote in <i>Planned Parenthood v Farmer</i>, which has gotten far less attention because it hasn&#8217;t gone to the Supreme Court. In that case, Alito concurred in a ruling striking down New Jersey&#8217;s ban on partial birth abortions. So does that make him anti-abortion or pro-abortion? Neither, so far as we know. In both cases, he attempted to apply precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnS</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure committee Dems and ordinary Americans will be interested in hearing Alito&#039;s explanation of his thinking regarding Planned Parenthood v. Casey.  Alito was the sole dissenter on the Third Circuit, which struck a Pennsylvania law that required women seeking abortions to consult their husbands, writing: &quot;The plaintiffs failed to show even roughly how many of the women in this small group would actually be adversely affected...&quot;
The Supreme Court opposed Alito&#039;s view: &quot;For the great many women who are victims of abuse inflicted by their husbands, or whose children are the victims of such abuse, a spousal notice requirement enables the husband to wield an effective veto over his wife&#039;s decision.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure committee Dems and ordinary Americans will be interested in hearing Alito&#8217;s explanation of his thinking regarding Planned Parenthood v. Casey.  Alito was the sole dissenter on the Third Circuit, which struck a Pennsylvania law that required women seeking abortions to consult their husbands, writing: &#8220;The plaintiffs failed to show even roughly how many of the women in this small group would actually be adversely affected&#8230;&#8221;<br />
The Supreme Court opposed Alito&#8217;s view: &#8220;For the great many women who are victims of abuse inflicted by their husbands, or whose children are the victims of such abuse, a spousal notice requirement enables the husband to wield an effective veto over his wife&#8217;s decision.&#8221;</p>
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