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September 22, 2005

Autumnal equinox

Today is the autumnal equinox, the moment when the sun appears to cross the celestial equator, heading southward. In the southern hemisphere, the equinox occurs at the same moment, but heralds the beginning of spring. At the equinox, the sun rises directly in the east and sets directly in the west. In the northern hemisphere, before the autumnal equinox, the sun rises and sets more and more to the north, and afterwards, it rises and sets more and more to the south.

Posted by Joshua Claybourn at September 22, 2005 06:54 PM

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Thank you for not promoting the ridiculous meme that this is the first day of autumn.

Posted by: wahoofive at September 23, 2005 01:55 AM | permalink

Shorter days are ahead. Blech. On the other hand, fall in the Midwest is generally pretty nice.

Posted by: Doug at September 23, 2005 09:15 AM | permalink

Isn't it? It may not have been the first full day of the season, but I do not think it would be "ridiculous" for someone to call it the first day of Fall (or "Autumn").

Posted by: Karl at September 23, 2005 09:17 AM | permalink

The meaning of the seasons is the life cycle of plants. Autumn is when the leaves of deciduous trees turn colors and fall off. Spring is when the trees sprout new leaves and blossoms, when the daffodils come up, etc. This happens at different times in different places, and at different times in different years. There's no benefit to standardizing this; it's not like we use them for quarterly financial reports or anything. The whole "first day of autumn" thing was invented by Hallmark and other calendar makers. It's like putting a mark on your clock face at 6:00 saying "sunrise."

Posted by: wahoofive at September 23, 2005 11:24 AM | permalink

Hmmm. I always figured summer ran from summer solstice to autumnal equinox, fall ran from autumnal equinox to winter solstice, winter ran from winter solstice to vernal equinox, and spring ran from vernal equinox to summer solstice.

Is that not correct?

Posted by: Doug at September 23, 2005 11:28 AM | permalink

"The meaning of the seasons is the life cycle of plants. Autumn is when the leaves of deciduous trees turn colors and fall off."

Where did you get this from? The most common usage of season is a division of the year, which for convenience's sake in the US has been to designate the time between the solstices and equinoxes. I agree that 'season' is not well-defined, but I think your assertion that it is determined by the life cycle of plants is, to quote you, ridiculous. So yes, yesterday was the first day of Autumn in the United States; different countries have differing start and stop times for their seasons.

Created by Hallmark? Ha, I for one have never received a 'Welcome to Autumn' card (although I'm sure they exist)...

Posted by: Dave at September 23, 2005 12:04 PM | permalink

I can't believe you didn't use auspicious event as an opportunity to talk about the relaunch of blogs4God ...

... kidding aside, what about _MY_ needs?-)

Oh well, can't be bothered with that now, gotta get naked, paint myself blue and howl at the moon.

Posted by: Mean Dean at September 23, 2005 03:08 PM | permalink

Posted by: wahoofive at September 23, 2005 05:02 PM | permalink

The problem is that you are telling us that it is incorrect (and "ridiculous") for a specific date to be popularly or "officially" designated as the beginning of a season, even though the popular understanding is the only thing that gives the seasons any precise meaning. You said above that the seasons are defined by the life cycle of plants, but why is it less appropriate for the seasons to be defined by average temperature, length of day (which they are not), or by whether daylight is increasing or decreasing?

There is an official beginning for each season, but it is only official because people commonly define the seasons that way (regardless of whatever Hallmark's role may have been in shaping that practice), and for an idea as common (in the sense that it belongs to the "common man") as the seasons, popular usage decides the definition. In the United States, at least, we have defined the seasons in reference to a couple of these. To say that this is wrong or "ridiculous" is like arguing with an English guy over what "chips" really are.

Posted by: Karl at September 23, 2005 06:21 PM | permalink

Thank you Karl for that venture into the po-mo mindset.

Posted by: Mean Dean at September 23, 2005 11:31 PM | permalink

You're welcome, but I think it is a simple idea that the meaning of words is set by the people who use them.

Posted by: Karl at September 25, 2005 03:11 PM | permalink

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