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		<title>By: Alan K. Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16019</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan K. Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentient&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; tells me I&#039;m confusing &quot;sentient&quot; and &quot;sapient.&quot; In which case, it would seem that only vertebrates are sentient.
Ed:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If in fact homosexuality is such a great evil, and is a result of human sinfulness, why is it so universally observed in other animals?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You &lt;i&gt;haven&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; established that it&#039;s universally observed in animals. You claim that it&#039;s been observed in 450 different species (a tiny fraction of even vertebrate species); you offer no means of checking the validity of those observations.
One behavior that is clearly rampant among animals is indiscriminate sex. Such behavior exhibited by humans clearly stands at odds with their psychological development.
So why did God make animals that are promiscuous? Or, for another example, animals that make messes without cleaning up after themselves? Maybe to give humans an illustration of what the human ideal is &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;? How uncivilized we become when we totally abandon our sapient dimension and demote ourselves to creatures of pure emotion and instinct?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentient" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> tells me I&#8217;m confusing &#8220;sentient&#8221; and &#8220;sapient.&#8221; In which case, it would seem that only vertebrates are sentient.<br />
Ed:</p>
<blockquote><p>If in fact homosexuality is such a great evil, and is a result of human sinfulness, why is it so universally observed in other animals?</p></blockquote>
<p>You <i>haven&#8217;t</i> established that it&#8217;s universally observed in animals. You claim that it&#8217;s been observed in 450 different species (a tiny fraction of even vertebrate species); you offer no means of checking the validity of those observations.<br />
One behavior that is clearly rampant among animals is indiscriminate sex. Such behavior exhibited by humans clearly stands at odds with their psychological development.<br />
So why did God make animals that are promiscuous? Or, for another example, animals that make messes without cleaning up after themselves? Maybe to give humans an illustration of what the human ideal is <i>not</i>? How uncivilized we become when we totally abandon our sapient dimension and demote ourselves to creatures of pure emotion and instinct?</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy  Vining</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy  Vining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News Break!!!  Silo has left Roy bereft and has had an EGG with female penguin Scrappy!!  And they said it couldn&#039;t be done.
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16017</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothy Vining wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If looking to the design makes me a Thomist, so be it. We do it with every other organ system; why not the reproductive system?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But as I noted above, it&#039;s absurd to take the position that because an organ is &quot;designed&quot; for one purpose it&#039;s &quot;unnatural&quot; to use it for another purpose as well. The tongue is &quot;designed&quot; for tasting food, but it works quite well sexually, as do the hands and fingers. So does the anus, if that is one&#039;s preference, and there are lots of straight couples who enjoy that (and I presume, some gay couples that don&#039;t). So the equation of &quot;gay&quot; with &quot;anal sex&quot; continues to be problematic, and the concept of condemning any use of an organ for a secondary purpose. Some organs, like the penis, have multiple functions, both excretory and reproductive. And of course, it still remains true that sex is not solely engaged in for reproduction; indeed, it is rarely engaged in for reproduction. Sex also has more than one &quot;purpose&quot; (by which I only mean &quot;useful function&quot;, not &quot;intended function&quot;). It is useful not only for reproduction, but also for building emotional intimacy in a relationship. And of course, one can argue that pleasure seeking is a virtue in and of itself (or at least that it is not necessarily wrong or unnatural to do - no one would argue that taking a hot bath is immoral merely because it brings one pleasure).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy Vining wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>If looking to the design makes me a Thomist, so be it. We do it with every other organ system; why not the reproductive system?</p></blockquote>
<p>But as I noted above, it&#8217;s absurd to take the position that because an organ is &#8220;designed&#8221; for one purpose it&#8217;s &#8220;unnatural&#8221; to use it for another purpose as well. The tongue is &#8220;designed&#8221; for tasting food, but it works quite well sexually, as do the hands and fingers. So does the anus, if that is one&#8217;s preference, and there are lots of straight couples who enjoy that (and I presume, some gay couples that don&#8217;t). So the equation of &#8220;gay&#8221; with &#8220;anal sex&#8221; continues to be problematic, and the concept of condemning any use of an organ for a secondary purpose. Some organs, like the penis, have multiple functions, both excretory and reproductive. And of course, it still remains true that sex is not solely engaged in for reproduction; indeed, it is rarely engaged in for reproduction. Sex also has more than one &#8220;purpose&#8221; (by which I only mean &#8220;useful function&#8221;, not &#8220;intended function&#8221;). It is useful not only for reproduction, but also for building emotional intimacy in a relationship. And of course, one can argue that pleasure seeking is a virtue in and of itself (or at least that it is not necessarily wrong or unnatural to do &#8211; no one would argue that taking a hot bath is immoral merely because it brings one pleasure).</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16016</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Henderson wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me see if I understand the logic being proposed in some of these posts: if God exists, then if God created creatures that by their very nature exhibit homosexuality, then God is not inherently averse to homosexuality - thus there is no basis for God to oppose homosexuality in humans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not quite. No one has taken that position. But the question has been asked, what is the Christian explanation for this? If in fact homosexuality is such a great evil, and is a result of human sinfulness, why is it so universally observed in other animals? I don&#039;t think this alone tells us all that much about the subject, since there are other traits we observe in animals that we would all consider immoral if done by humans (killing a rival to gain access to females for mating, for example). But so far, no one has even attempted to answer that question.
&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the assumptions here is that animal homosexuality is normal, and not the result of the critter finding itself in heat but, for whatever reason (like the absence of an opposite-sex partner) grabs a substitute (same-sex partner, a human leg to hump, etc.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This isn&#039;t an assumption, it&#039;s an observation. Many of the observations of homosexual behavior in animals are not instances of merely finding a substitute while in heat due to lack of the opposite sex. Bonobos in particular engage in homosexual acts about half the time, on a daily basis, even with opposite sex mates available easily. And of course, this really doesn&#039;t answer the question because, naturally, God could simply have created animals &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to do so if he&#039;d wanted to.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Bible does not claim that God places any moral expectations on nonsenitent beings. Nor does it claim that the behavior of nonsentient beings is a benchmark for what types of behavior are acceptible in sentient beings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nor do I think they should be the benchmark, for reasons stated above. But it&#039;s difficult to make the &quot;unnatural&quot; argument when we observe the same behavior throughout nature. One can still argue that it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;, of course, but not on the basis of it being &quot;unnatural&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Henderson wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Let me see if I understand the logic being proposed in some of these posts: if God exists, then if God created creatures that by their very nature exhibit homosexuality, then God is not inherently averse to homosexuality &#8211; thus there is no basis for God to oppose homosexuality in humans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not quite. No one has taken that position. But the question has been asked, what is the Christian explanation for this? If in fact homosexuality is such a great evil, and is a result of human sinfulness, why is it so universally observed in other animals? I don&#8217;t think this alone tells us all that much about the subject, since there are other traits we observe in animals that we would all consider immoral if done by humans (killing a rival to gain access to females for mating, for example). But so far, no one has even attempted to answer that question.</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the assumptions here is that animal homosexuality is normal, and not the result of the critter finding itself in heat but, for whatever reason (like the absence of an opposite-sex partner) grabs a substitute (same-sex partner, a human leg to hump, etc.)</p></blockquote>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an assumption, it&#8217;s an observation. Many of the observations of homosexual behavior in animals are not instances of merely finding a substitute while in heat due to lack of the opposite sex. Bonobos in particular engage in homosexual acts about half the time, on a daily basis, even with opposite sex mates available easily. And of course, this really doesn&#8217;t answer the question because, naturally, God could simply have created animals <i>not</i> to do so if he&#8217;d wanted to.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Bible does not claim that God places any moral expectations on nonsenitent beings. Nor does it claim that the behavior of nonsentient beings is a benchmark for what types of behavior are acceptible in sentient beings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nor do I think they should be the benchmark, for reasons stated above. But it&#8217;s difficult to make the &#8220;unnatural&#8221; argument when we observe the same behavior throughout nature. One can still argue that it&#8217;s <i>wrong</i>, of course, but not on the basis of it being &#8220;unnatural&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy  Vining</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16015</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy  Vining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon says:  &quot;You are by far the wierdest (sic) Thomist I&#039;v ever debated.&quot;
Gee, thanks.  If looking to the design makes me a Thomist, so be it.  We do it with every other organ  system; why not the reproductive system?  Back to Jigsaw Basics:  Do the pieces fit?  Do the colors match?  Does it help complete the overall picture?
How far would you get with your car if you put wiper fluid in the transmission and oil in the gas tank?   Why would you think you could deposit seminal fluid with its load of immunosuppressant  into a battered up rectum and not fall prey to  all the infections that gays fall prey to?
Things really work better if you look to the design.
Note to Alan:  Animals are sentient beings.  Look the word up.
PPS:  Guess why there&#039;s immunosuppressant in the seminal fluid - presumably so that the woman does not reject the sperm and child from an unrelated person.  It&#039;s part of THE PLAN.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon says:  &#8220;You are by far the wierdest (sic) Thomist I&#8217;v ever debated.&#8221;<br />
Gee, thanks.  If looking to the design makes me a Thomist, so be it.  We do it with every other organ  system; why not the reproductive system?  Back to Jigsaw Basics:  Do the pieces fit?  Do the colors match?  Does it help complete the overall picture?<br />
How far would you get with your car if you put wiper fluid in the transmission and oil in the gas tank?   Why would you think you could deposit seminal fluid with its load of immunosuppressant  into a battered up rectum and not fall prey to  all the infections that gays fall prey to?<br />
Things really work better if you look to the design.<br />
Note to Alan:  Animals are sentient beings.  Look the word up.<br />
PPS:  Guess why there&#8217;s immunosuppressant in the seminal fluid &#8211; presumably so that the woman does not reject the sperm and child from an unrelated person.  It&#8217;s part of THE PLAN.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan K. Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16014</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan K. Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me see if I understand the logic being proposed in some of these posts: if God exists, then if God created creatures that by their very nature exhibit homosexuality, then God is not inherently averse to homosexuality - thus there is no basis for God to oppose homosexuality in humans.
One of the assumptions here is that animal homosexuality is normal, and not the result of the critter finding itself in heat but, for whatever reason (like the absence of an opposite-sex partner) grabs a substitute (same-sex partner, a human leg to hump, etc.)
Another is that animals exhibit &quot;homosexuality&quot; in the same sense that humans do. Sexuality in animals is purely a thing of instinct. I suspect that a lot of this alleged &quot;gay&quot; activity is simply some critter going into heat and finding the first available outlet. Or being permanently imprinted on the first available outlet, in the case of swans. (Or a species of frog I heard about once that jumps every frog in sight until he gets one that doesn&#039;t let out the loud croak that only male frogs make - the only way he can tell the genders apart.) Sexuality is a vastly different concept in sentient beings that involves much more than just physical contact and gene implantation.
The Bible does not claim that God places any moral expectations on nonsenitent beings. Nor does it claim that the behavior of nonsentient beings is a benchmark for what types of behavior are acceptible in sentient beings.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I understand the logic being proposed in some of these posts: if God exists, then if God created creatures that by their very nature exhibit homosexuality, then God is not inherently averse to homosexuality &#8211; thus there is no basis for God to oppose homosexuality in humans.<br />
One of the assumptions here is that animal homosexuality is normal, and not the result of the critter finding itself in heat but, for whatever reason (like the absence of an opposite-sex partner) grabs a substitute (same-sex partner, a human leg to hump, etc.)<br />
Another is that animals exhibit &#8220;homosexuality&#8221; in the same sense that humans do. Sexuality in animals is purely a thing of instinct. I suspect that a lot of this alleged &#8220;gay&#8221; activity is simply some critter going into heat and finding the first available outlet. Or being permanently imprinted on the first available outlet, in the case of swans. (Or a species of frog I heard about once that jumps every frog in sight until he gets one that doesn&#8217;t let out the loud croak that only male frogs make &#8211; the only way he can tell the genders apart.) Sexuality is a vastly different concept in sentient beings that involves much more than just physical contact and gene implantation.<br />
The Bible does not claim that God places any moral expectations on nonsenitent beings. Nor does it claim that the behavior of nonsentient beings is a benchmark for what types of behavior are acceptible in sentient beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 02:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sammy Sperm??
You are by far the wierdest Thomist I&#039;ve ever debated.
(And Sammy Sperm probably doesn&#039;t like the inside of a condom either.)
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You are by far the wierdest Thomist I&#8217;ve ever debated.<br />
(And Sammy Sperm probably doesn&#8217;t like the inside of a condom either.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/09/agreeing_with_the_worldnetdaily/comment-page-1/#comment-16012</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothy Vining wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The essential difference between an anus and a cloaca is that you can procreate through a cloaca but not an anus.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But you can both procreate and reproduce through a penis, so the argument cannot be that if an organ can be used for excretion, it can&#039;t also be used for sex. You can&#039;t reproduce with your mouth either, but that also can be used sexually, as well as your hands. These body parts are not like an eye, which only has one function; they have multiple functions. If the argument is that it&#039;s &quot;unnatural&quot; to perform any sexual act that can&#039;t result in reproduction, then I&#039;m afraid most people are going to tune you right out, and rightfully so.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Have you never considered the plight of Sammy Sperm when he thinks he is going to swim upstream to meet an egg, complete his chromosomes and become fully alive, only to find he is in a crappy rectum with not an egg in sight? Not only is there not an egg in sight, not only is he out in left field, but he is not even in the right ball park!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The same is true during masturbation and oral sex, not an egg in sight. Are we going to wax eloquent about poor Sammy Sperm in those situations and declare that masturbators and fellatrixes may not get married? I know this will come as a shock to you, but the vast majority of the human race only very rarely has sex for the purpose of reproducing, whether they are straight or gay. In fact, I have &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; had sex for that purpose in my entire life. Even those who have children have likely only had sex for the purpose of reproduction a tiny fraction of 1% of the times they&#039;ve had sex. Far more Sammy Sperms die in a kleenex than ever get the opportunity to hunt for an egg.
&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, have you considered the wonders of a vagina?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
As often as possible.
&lt;blockquote&gt;And while Sammy is swimming as fast as he can towards his goal, his depositor gets to look at the face of his beloved. What a plan! Don&#039;t you love it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s a doggy style joke in there, but I&#039;m not touching it. Of course it&#039;s true that the genitals work very well for reproduction. But they also have other purposes, as does the act of sex itself.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy Vining wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The essential difference between an anus and a cloaca is that you can procreate through a cloaca but not an anus.</p></blockquote>
<p>But you can both procreate and reproduce through a penis, so the argument cannot be that if an organ can be used for excretion, it can&#8217;t also be used for sex. You can&#8217;t reproduce with your mouth either, but that also can be used sexually, as well as your hands. These body parts are not like an eye, which only has one function; they have multiple functions. If the argument is that it&#8217;s &#8220;unnatural&#8221; to perform any sexual act that can&#8217;t result in reproduction, then I&#8217;m afraid most people are going to tune you right out, and rightfully so.</p>
<blockquote><p>Have you never considered the plight of Sammy Sperm when he thinks he is going to swim upstream to meet an egg, complete his chromosomes and become fully alive, only to find he is in a crappy rectum with not an egg in sight? Not only is there not an egg in sight, not only is he out in left field, but he is not even in the right ball park!</p></blockquote>
<p>The same is true during masturbation and oral sex, not an egg in sight. Are we going to wax eloquent about poor Sammy Sperm in those situations and declare that masturbators and fellatrixes may not get married? I know this will come as a shock to you, but the vast majority of the human race only very rarely has sex for the purpose of reproducing, whether they are straight or gay. In fact, I have <i>never</i> had sex for that purpose in my entire life. Even those who have children have likely only had sex for the purpose of reproduction a tiny fraction of 1% of the times they&#8217;ve had sex. Far more Sammy Sperms die in a kleenex than ever get the opportunity to hunt for an egg.</p>
<blockquote><p>On the other hand, have you considered the wonders of a vagina?</p></blockquote>
<p>As often as possible.</p>
<blockquote><p>And while Sammy is swimming as fast as he can towards his goal, his depositor gets to look at the face of his beloved. What a plan! Don&#8217;t you love it?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a doggy style joke in there, but I&#8217;m not touching it. Of course it&#8217;s true that the genitals work very well for reproduction. But they also have other purposes, as does the act of sex itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy  Vining</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorothy  Vining</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would have thought it would come to this!  Biology 101 next!  The essential difference between an anus and a cloaca is that you can procreate through a cloaca but not an anus.  Have you never considered the plight of Sammy Sperm when he thinks he is going to swim upstream to meet an egg, complete his chromosomes and become fully alive, only to find he is in a crappy rectum with not an egg in sight?  Not only is there not an egg in sight, not only is he out in left field, but he is not even in the right ball park!  And he has arrived in that place often at the cost of considerable tissue trauma and stretching of the anal sphincter which invites infection, especially as the colon lining is very thin, so as to easily absorb colon contents.
On the other hand, have you considered the wonders of a vagina?  No sphincter!  Very thick, practically impermeable walls, but very stretchy (after all it can accommodate a baby&#039;s head!)  In addition the orgasmic waves urge Sammy upstream.  All the secretions are friendly!  And while Sammy is swimming as fast as he can towards his goal, his depositor gets to look at the face of his beloved.   What a plan!  Don&#039;t you love it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would have thought it would come to this!  Biology 101 next!  The essential difference between an anus and a cloaca is that you can procreate through a cloaca but not an anus.  Have you never considered the plight of Sammy Sperm when he thinks he is going to swim upstream to meet an egg, complete his chromosomes and become fully alive, only to find he is in a crappy rectum with not an egg in sight?  Not only is there not an egg in sight, not only is he out in left field, but he is not even in the right ball park!  And he has arrived in that place often at the cost of considerable tissue trauma and stretching of the anal sphincter which invites infection, especially as the colon lining is very thin, so as to easily absorb colon contents.<br />
On the other hand, have you considered the wonders of a vagina?  No sphincter!  Very thick, practically impermeable walls, but very stretchy (after all it can accommodate a baby&#8217;s head!)  In addition the orgasmic waves urge Sammy upstream.  All the secretions are friendly!  And while Sammy is swimming as fast as he can towards his goal, his depositor gets to look at the face of his beloved.   What a plan!  Don&#8217;t you love it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m curious what exactly Dorothy thinks is the difference between an anus and a cloaca. The only difference, and it isn&#039;t the least bit relevant for the purposes of her argument, is that a cloaca is the opening through which both urine and feces (and in many cases, egg or sperm) is released, whereas in humans the anus handles feces and the urethra handles urine and sperm.
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