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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11068</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I hear Rosa Lopez is working on an article on the subject for Harper&#039;s.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I hear Rosa Lopez is working on an article on the subject for Harper&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11067</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, you have defeated no argument. Piling rant upon rant equals rant.  I note your scorn about a criminal investigator and author of many talents being dismissed with all the bravado of a three year old. Will you say the same of Jeb Bush? You sure have a lot of confidence in Florida courts-a confidence not shared by very many folks in this world or any of its judicial systems.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, you have defeated no argument. Piling rant upon rant equals rant.  I note your scorn about a criminal investigator and author of many talents being dismissed with all the bravado of a three year old. Will you say the same of Jeb Bush? You sure have a lot of confidence in Florida courts-a confidence not shared by very many folks in this world or any of its judicial systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11066</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Rockford wrote:
&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ed, et al. - Your argument is a straw man - it was never the position of the Schindlers and their supporters that the only basis for not killing Terri was that she might improve. So any &quot;confirmation&quot; that there was no hope of improvement does absolutley nothing to undermine their position.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure how that makes it a straw man. At worst, it means I haven&#039;t defeated every possible argument they made, but I didn&#039;t claim to so that&#039;s irrelevant. A major part of the legal argument was whether or not she could recover. They made a huge deal out of their false claim that Michael had not allowed rehab and they trotted out the incredibly dishonest Dr. Hammesfahr to claim that she could improve. The autopsy shut down those arguments entirely. From a legal standpoint, the only other argument that matters is over whether Terri had made her wishes known or not. The court ruled that she had and that ruling was upheld by multiple appeals courts. Those are the only two legally relevant arguments in the case, so to claim that conclusively disproving one of them does &quot;absolutely nothing&quot; to undermine their case is, well, quite silly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Rockford wrote:</p>
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<blockquote>Ed, et al. &#8211; Your argument is a straw man &#8211; it was never the position of the Schindlers and their supporters that the only basis for not killing Terri was that she might improve. So any &#8220;confirmation&#8221; that there was no hope of improvement does absolutley nothing to undermine their position.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how that makes it a straw man. At worst, it means I haven&#8217;t defeated every possible argument they made, but I didn&#8217;t claim to so that&#8217;s irrelevant. A major part of the legal argument was whether or not she could recover. They made a huge deal out of their false claim that Michael had not allowed rehab and they trotted out the incredibly dishonest Dr. Hammesfahr to claim that she could improve. The autopsy shut down those arguments entirely. From a legal standpoint, the only other argument that matters is over whether Terri had made her wishes known or not. The court ruled that she had and that ruling was upheld by multiple appeals courts. Those are the only two legally relevant arguments in the case, so to claim that conclusively disproving one of them does &#8220;absolutely nothing&#8221; to undermine their case is, well, quite silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rockford</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rockford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, et al. - Your argument is a straw man - it was never the position of the Schindlers and their supporters that the only basis for not killing Terri was that she might improve.  So any &quot;confirmation&quot; that there was no hope of improvement does absolutley nothing to undermine their position.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, et al. &#8211; Your argument is a straw man &#8211; it was never the position of the Schindlers and their supporters that the only basis for not killing Terri was that she might improve.  So any &#8220;confirmation&#8221; that there was no hope of improvement does absolutley nothing to undermine their position.</p>
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		<title>By: Raging Bee</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11064</link>
		<dc:creator>Raging Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, it&#039;s not settled till we hear from Kato Kaelin!  To get a balanced picture, we need more idiots to balance out all those highfalutin&#039; experts.  Oh wait, we&#039;ve heard from enough &quot;IDiots&quot; already.  Never mind...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, it&#8217;s not settled till we hear from Kato Kaelin!  To get a balanced picture, we need more idiots to balance out all those highfalutin&#8217; experts.  Oh wait, we&#8217;ve heard from enough &#8220;IDiots&#8221; already.  Never mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raging Bee</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11063</link>
		<dc:creator>Raging Bee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed: Can I quote your response about Michael&#039;s motives in my blog?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed: Can I quote your response about Michael&#8217;s motives in my blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Brayton</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Brayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I note also that Mark Furman, author and criminal investigator, has spent a number of weeks going over the totality of the records and will shortly deliver a book to the public.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Uh, yeah, Replace &quot;author and criminal investigator&quot; with &quot;disgraced former cop with a penchant for racial epithets&quot; and you&#039;re a lot closer to the truth. We&#039;ve already had someone go over the entire record, including every medical report, every court transcript, and spend nearly 90 hours with Terri herself, and deliver his report to the public. His name was Jay Wolfson and he was the Guardian Ad Litem appointed pursuant to the Florida legislature&#039;s intervention. And unlike Mark Fuhrman, he was actually qualified, with a PhD in public health and a law degree, to evaluate that evidence. But please let us know as soon as Kato Kaelin publishes something about it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<blockquote>I note also that Mark Furman, author and criminal investigator, has spent a number of weeks going over the totality of the records and will shortly deliver a book to the public.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, yeah, Replace &#8220;author and criminal investigator&#8221; with &#8220;disgraced former cop with a penchant for racial epithets&#8221; and you&#8217;re a lot closer to the truth. We&#8217;ve already had someone go over the entire record, including every medical report, every court transcript, and spend nearly 90 hours with Terri herself, and deliver his report to the public. His name was Jay Wolfson and he was the Guardian Ad Litem appointed pursuant to the Florida legislature&#8217;s intervention. And unlike Mark Fuhrman, he was actually qualified, with a PhD in public health and a law degree, to evaluate that evidence. But please let us know as soon as Kato Kaelin publishes something about it. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One source of ethical guidence says, &quot;..food and water should be provided for all patients who suffer pvs unless it fails to sustain life or causes suffering...In general, the provision of nutrition and hydration to the patient is proportionate and morally obligatory. Removal of food and water is permissible only when they no longer attain the ends for which they are provided.&quot;  I note also that Mark Furman, author and criminal investigator, has spent a number of weeks going over the totality of the records and will shortly deliver a book to the public.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One source of ethical guidence says, &#8220;..food and water should be provided for all patients who suffer pvs unless it fails to sustain life or causes suffering&#8230;In general, the provision of nutrition and hydration to the patient is proportionate and morally obligatory. Removal of food and water is permissible only when they no longer attain the ends for which they are provided.&#8221;  I note also that Mark Furman, author and criminal investigator, has spent a number of weeks going over the totality of the records and will shortly deliver a book to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 02:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was curious as to what the conservative side of the blogosphere would have to say about the report and so did some research via Google news. And the, shall we say less thoughtful, conservative blogs still rant on about the case, very carefully selecting quotes from the autopsy report. Quite frankly I find them sickening in their completely blind refusals to admit that they might have been wrong. How they expected someone whose brain had atrophied to half of the mass it should have had to recover any significant function shows the extent to which they have abandoned rational thought.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was curious as to what the conservative side of the blogosphere would have to say about the report and so did some research via Google news. And the, shall we say less thoughtful, conservative blogs still rant on about the case, very carefully selecting quotes from the autopsy report. Quite frankly I find them sickening in their completely blind refusals to admit that they might have been wrong. How they expected someone whose brain had atrophied to half of the mass it should have had to recover any significant function shows the extent to which they have abandoned rational thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/06/schiavo_autopsy_confirms_diagnosis/comment-page-1/#comment-11059</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your points are well taken, Ed.  By and large I agree.  I was arguing more from the heart than the head - and that inner battle within all of us is largely at the core of the whole debate.  I merely wish more people on both sides would try to see that.
In the agora, of course, the head should always prevail.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your points are well taken, Ed.  By and large I agree.  I was arguing more from the heart than the head &#8211; and that inner battle within all of us is largely at the core of the whole debate.  I merely wish more people on both sides would try to see that.<br />
In the agora, of course, the head should always prevail.</p>
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