Comments on: ABC News Had It Right http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/?source=rss current events, culture, faith, science and more Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:40:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Blog: Derek Rose http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7616 Blog: Derek Rose Tue, 12 Apr 2005 13:27:59 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7616 <strong>http://derekrose.com/wp/?p=345</strong> This column by the Times' Nicholas Kristof echoes some of my own thinking, and thoughts in my previous post. [I]t's not just right-wingers who distrust the media these days. ... the one thing Democrats and Republicans agree on is that the news media... http://derekrose.com/wp/?p=345

This column by the Times’ Nicholas Kristof echoes some of my own thinking, and thoughts in my previous post.
[I]t’s not just right-wingers who distrust the media these days. … the one thing Democrats and Republicans agree on is that the news media…

]]> By: Preemptive Karma http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7615 Preemptive Karma Sat, 09 Apr 2005 22:01:05 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7615 <strong>http://www.preemptivekarma.com/archives/2005/04/there_are_some.html</strong> There are some fairly significant questions left concerning Memogate. The GOP pundit and blog class would just as soon have it drift off into the sunset. I don't blame them. They screwed up in a huge way. Being a Republican tool is a double edged sword... http://www.preemptivekarma.com/archives/2005/04/there_are_some.html

There are some fairly significant questions left concerning Memogate. The GOP pundit and blog class would just as soon have it drift off into the sunset. I don’t blame them. They screwed up in a huge way. Being a Republican tool is a double edged sword…

]]> By: Eric Seymour http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7610 Eric Seymour Fri, 08 Apr 2005 16:52:32 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7610 From Rothko: "Thus, having passed on the memo to others, all the points you object to are literally true." Thanks for explaining that one to me, Obi-Wan... LUKE SKYWALKER: Obi-Wan! Why didn't you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father. OBI-WAN KENOBI: Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I have told you was true . . . from a certain point of view. From Rothko:
“Thus, having passed on the memo to others, all the points you object to are literally true.”
Thanks for explaining that one to me, Obi-Wan…
LUKE SKYWALKER: Obi-Wan! Why didn’t you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
OBI-WAN KENOBI: Your father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I have told you was true . . . from a certain point of view.

]]> By: adam http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7609 adam Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:57:54 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7609 Say, for instance, that the memo & the ugly political points it brought up was a duck. The GOPs actions on this Schiavo deal look like a duck. They smell like a duck. And Delay was quacking like a duck. So what's the debate? The whole thing was political, I don't understand why that's so surprising or why people choose to defend it or excuse it with such vigor. And the excuses are starting to sound like rhetorical gymnastics - "well, technically it was a staffer... he didn't mean to print it, uh, er, Martinez didn't mean to pass it along or read it, um, he thought it was his NCAA brackets. Er, um, Bill Clinton got a BJ 6 years ago. Say, for instance, that the memo & the ugly political points it brought up was a duck. The GOPs actions on this Schiavo deal look like a duck. They smell like a duck. And Delay was quacking like a duck. So what’s the debate? The whole thing was political, I don’t understand why that’s so surprising or why people choose to defend it or excuse it with such vigor. And the excuses are starting to sound like rhetorical gymnastics – “well, technically it was a staffer… he didn’t mean to print it, uh, er, Martinez didn’t mean to pass it along or read it, um, he thought it was his NCAA brackets. Er, um, Bill Clinton got a BJ 6 years ago.

]]> By: (parenthetical remarks) http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7614 (parenthetical remarks) Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:40:45 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7614 <strong>Intellectual Honesty is for Suckers</strong> The bug-eyed screamers—both on the left and on the right—are singularly incapable of learning anything from their mistakes and misstatements, so all this does is add to the din. Intellectual Honesty is for Suckers

The bug-eyed screamers—both on the left and on the right—are singularly incapable of learning anything from their mistakes and misstatements, so all this does is add to the din.

]]> By: Bill Baar http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7608 Bill Baar Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:38:33 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7608 ABC and the Post should have told us the author of the memo in the first place. It's a hyperlinked world now. The days of presenting a document without anchoring it so readers can drill down to the author and context are over. That's the virtue of blogging and the handicap of MSM. ABC and the Post should have told us the author of the memo in the first place. It’s a hyperlinked world now. The days of presenting a document without anchoring it so readers can drill down to the author and context are over. That’s the virtue of blogging and the handicap of MSM.

]]> By: The Sudden Sage [beta] http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7613 The Sudden Sage [beta] Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:38:13 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7613 <strong>Republicans wrote Schiavo exploit memo</strong> A running history of the blogging of the GOP talking points memo about Terri Schiavo Republicans wrote Schiavo exploit memo

A running history of the blogging of the GOP talking points memo about Terri Schiavo

]]> By: Dave LF2 http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7607 Dave LF2 Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:53:54 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7607 Praises be, a conservative blogger with integrity! Rothko says more, better, than I could, you are a credit to what is otherwise a sea of fascist slime. I'm adding you to my list of blogs to lurk. So, Martinez and his chief legal counsel aren't really GOP or aren't really Republican, and Martinez doesn't really pay any attention to his staffers or what they tell him to distribute, is that right? Are y'all that desperate to believe these nut cases? Isn't it at least plausible that our current administration is two forks short of full place setting, thanks in large part to self-imploding Dems? Praises be, a conservative blogger with integrity! Rothko says more, better, than I could, you are a credit to what is otherwise a sea of fascist slime. I’m adding you to my list of blogs to lurk.
So, Martinez and his chief legal counsel aren’t really GOP or aren’t really Republican, and Martinez doesn’t really pay any attention to his staffers or what they tell him to distribute, is that right? Are y’all that desperate to believe these nut cases? Isn’t it at least plausible that our current administration is two forks short of full place setting, thanks in large part to self-imploding Dems?

]]> By: rothko http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7606 rothko Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:02:42 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7606 One comment, this one pointed at Eric Seymour up above. Martinez was one of the three "point men" (along with Frist and Santorum) on this issue. By a purely literal meaning of the phrase, he was part of the Republican leadership on this issue. Thus, having passed on the memo to others, all the points you object to are literally true. <p>So stop scapegoating a man who fell on his sword for his less than stellar boss. <p>Why, exactly, is apologizing so hard for apologists?</p></p> One comment, this one pointed at Eric Seymour up above. Martinez was one of the three “point men” (along with Frist and Santorum) on this issue. By a purely literal meaning of the phrase, he was part of the Republican leadership on this issue. Thus, having passed on the memo to others, all the points you object to are literally true.

So stop scapegoating a man who fell on his sword for his less than stellar boss.

Why, exactly, is apologizing so hard for apologists?

]]> By: FredW http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right/comment-page-1/#comment-7605 FredW Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:17:38 +0000 http://intheagora.com/2005/04/abc_news_had_it_right.html#comment-7605 This all sounds somewhat like "depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." This all sounds somewhat like “depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.”

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