Comments on: Battle of the sexes?

By: Paul

Paul — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:32:16 +0000

“LOL! So obviously Darwinian principles are not in play here, in the biological sense.”
In the strictest biological sense, perhaps, but given that the various memes of computer science have carved out an enduring niche for themselves, selection of replicators is alive and well.

By: Eric Seymour

Eric Seymour — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:18:06 +0000

which ensures that computer science professors will hardly ever interact with women
LOL! So obviously Darwinian principles are not in play here, in the biological sense.

By: Tierney

Tierney — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:49:59 +0000

“Frankly, I find it hard to believe that discrimination is taking place in academic circles, since it is so anathema (and rightly so, of course) in that world of liberalism.”
Perhaps “discrimination” was the wrong word. Nevertheless, the science departments are, sadly, largely behind the humanities departments in that respect. I know anecdotes don’t prove anything, but I’ve talked to women who dropped out of majoring in physics or computer science because they were singled out and given s*** by their exclusively male, sexist professors. It happens; I don’t know how often, but it happens. This, of course, keeps the field consisting of all men, which ensures that computer science professors will hardly ever interact with women, which encourages the continuation of prejudice, which in turn of course keeps women from majoring in computer science…

By: Eric Seymour

Eric Seymour — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:48:04 +0000

ask yourself which is more plausible: that they’re caused by that 10% average difference in spacial orientation ability, or that they’re caused by discrimination?
Of course, it might be neither innate ability per se nor discrimination, but rather a preference (either innate or cultural) against pursuing science as a career–either because of inherent aspects of science or the culture of scientific academia.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that discrimination is taking place in academic circles, since it is so anathema (and rightly so, of course) in that world of liberalism.

By: Tierney

Tierney — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:47:33 +0000

Incidentally, for the perspective of an actual biologist, go here:
http://tinyurl.com/43dzj

By: Bobby A-G

Bobby A-G — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:42:07 +0000

Reminds me of that line from Anchorman:
“I’m a man who discovered the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower out of metal and braun. That’s what kind of man I am. Your just a woman with a brain a third the size of us men. It’s science.”

By: Tierney

Tierney — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 14:56:56 +0000

“Of course those same scientists have demonstrated that women perform worse in spacial orientation exercises like reading a map.”
Yes–women perform, on average, 10% worse. Now compare that slight inequality on an unnatural, isolated cognitive task to the vast inequality in the number of men versus women in leadership fields in certain sciences, and ask yourself which is more plausible: that they’re caused by that 10% average difference in spacial orientation ability, or that they’re caused by discrimination?

By: Jason Kuznicki

Jason Kuznicki — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:06:37 +0000

For centuries, it was confidently affirmed that men had an innate advantage over women in areas like language, pedagogy, and the humanities. I would not be surprised to see the current (yet politically incorrect) conventional wisdom regarding women’s inferiority at math and science also be struck down.
Also, Malkin suggests that if men and women were equal, then there would be a huge comparative advantage for a university that scooped up all the underutilized female engineering professors. But this isn’t necessarily so: If a sexist majority exists, a university with too many females would not be favorably received.
In other words, I don’t claim to know. But if I absolutely had to bet on one side or the other, I would say that there is basically no innate difference in mental capacity for any field at all.

By: Brian D.

Brian D. — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:55:42 +0000

Would there have been as much outrage and commentary had Mr. Summers stated innate differences are why fewer men succeed in languages than women?
I doubt any outrage would have occured, but scientists have demostrated that women are better linguists. Of course those same scientists have demonstrated that women perform worse in spacial orientation exercises like reading a map.
Get a grip people! Differences exist between the sexes. No one is better than the other just different.

By: Balta

Balta — Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:50:08 +0000

Matt Yglesias has put a fair amount of discussion into this topic today as well.