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December 30, 2004
Citing Foreign Courts and Other Posnerian Thoughts
Richard Posner discusses whether American courts should cite foreign courts. As a general rule, Judge Posner concludes, the answer is "no," although there are certain reservations to that rule. He gives three reasons: First, foreign judges are not part of the American political structure, and so are neither subject to American accountability, nor do they have any democratic legitimacy in the United States. Second, law is not universal (in the Posnerian analysis), but is a product of local circumstances, and so there's no real theoretical basis for citing foreign courts as authorities. And third, Posner thinks that relying on foreign decisions is merely a convenient way for judges to demonstrate that their decisions are part of an emerging consensus--but judges are selective in which consensus they apply to the United States, and so Posner says that they're merely "figleafing" their own preferences.
More interesting, however, is Posner's piece here on religion and public policy. Posner is atheistic, but he believes that in a democracy, the fact that some policy positions are based upon purely religious doctrines does not invalidate them. Consider abortion: If people are opposed to abortion because they believe that life begins at conception, then should their beliefs have weight in the democratic process? Of course they should, Posner writes:
Modern representative democracy isn’t about making law the outcome of discussion. It is not about modeling politics on the academic seminar. It is about forcing officials to stand for election at short intervals, and about letting ordinary people express their political preferences without having to defend them in debate with their intellectual superiors.
In a
response to comments on his first article on the subject, Posner notes that these discussions occupy far too much attention of political theorists:
the sort of political discussion in which political philosophers, law professors, and other intellectuals engage is neither educative nor edifying; I also think it is largely inconsequential, and I am grateful for that fact. I think that what moves people in deciding between candidates and platforms and so on certainly includes facts (such as the collapse of communism--a tremendous fact), as well as a variety of "nonrational" factors, such as whom you like to hang out with--I think that's extremely important in the choice of a political party to affiliate with. When a brilliant philosopher like Rawls gets down to the policy level and talks about abortion and campaign financing and the like, you recognize a perfectly conventional liberal and you begin to wonder whether his philosophy isn't just elaborate window dressing for standard left liberalism.
Posted by Paul Musgrave at December 30, 2004 12:59 PM
What would Posner do if he lived in a country where the majority wished to censor the newspapers, or forbid certain religions, or suspend habeas corpus? Clearly he believes abortion is a negotiable right, but I suspect one wouldn't have to dig very deep to find that other rights were not subject to the vote.
Focusing only on the rights that are obscure, disputed, or otherwise negotiable privileges democracy at the expense of individual rights, which ought not to be subject to a vote.
Posted by: Jason Kuznicki at December 30, 2004 02:32 PM | permalink
So because the majority believes that something is wrong (or right) because of their personal religious conviction the minority who does not share that conviction must nonetheless live their lives according to that conviction of the majority? It's a thorny issue but in most cases shouldn't religious freedom include freedom from the religious lifestyle of the majority as well as the right to worship (or not) according to your own desires?
Posted by: Jim S at December 30, 2004 02:37 PM | permalink
Posner does presumably believe that some rights are nonnegotiable if you want a liberal democracy, but he would also point out that in many cases it's simply not realistic to expect the majority will to be thwarted by a legalistic elite in every case. He'd make that statement without attempting to evaluate its moral implications, of course, because it appears likely that if a substantial majority of people believe X, then a minority that believes not-X, or whose behavior threatens X, will have a difficult time changing the majority's mind. Clearly, this is a complicated set of discussions. (Further, given Posner's positivism, I wonder how much we should discuss "rights" at all.)
That democracy and liberty are often in conflict is not a novel observation, but it is no less true for being commonplace. And some of the behaviors you mention as being undesirable as government policy are nonetheless manifest as a practical matter: The government in this country allows for the publication of staunchly Marxist newspapers, but practically nobody reads them; and we have religious freedom, but in the main the United States' religious composition hasn't radically changed in a century.
As it happens, Posner does note in one of the linked pieces that foreign judges and legislatures routinely decide that hate speech is beyond the pale, while in the United States it can sometimes be constitutionally protected. So here, then, we have a fairly positivist interpretation of what the law "should be."
Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2004 02:40 PM | permalink
"So because the majority believes that something is wrong (or right) because of their personal religious conviction the minority who does not share that conviction must nonetheless live their lives according to that conviction of the majority?"
This reminds me of a discussion I had in student government, during a heady era of reform when people were proposing redistricting. Somebody pointed out that if redistricting proposal A were accepted, then congressmen B and C would have to run against each other--and because both B and C were good people, the organization would lose. Told of this, the student government president stared at the interlocutor and said, forcefully, "It's an election! Somebody always loses!"
In the same way: Some policies are mutually incompatible. Somebody will always lose an election. Not-A and A cannot coexist.
Posted by: Paul at December 30, 2004 02:43 PM | permalink
The comments that laws against abortion are based on "religion" is not exactly true. Which religion?
Actually, these laws are based on natural law theory. At least in Catholicism, they mix biblical tradition with Greek logic. And many of these restrictions are found in non European/non Christian societies (abortion is considered wrong in the Chippewa, for example, and abortion is witchcraft/murder in Bantu religion).
The problem with progressive "living" constitution is that it allows the rewriting of traditional ideas at the expense of the latest intellectual fad.
Even the most obnoxious traditions in common law and in major religions have a logical basis: They are the way societies encode the lessons of thousands of years of human experience.
So even laws that seem to be stupid have some validity. For example, there is a website that ridicules the bible, stating "God Hates Shrimp"...yet as a doctor, I know shrimp deteriorates easily, and carries many fecal water borne diseases...and ironically, shrimp is taboo as a food for Bantus...who probably observed the same lessons...
Posted by: tioedong at January 3, 2005 08:29 AM | permalink