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November 10, 2004

What I've learned since 11/7/2000

I am of the opinion that all politically active people should take time to listen to (and read) their opposition. Not just to analyze their arguments and come up with rebuttals, but to understand their point of view and especially to take note of the image they are projecting.

In this way, I've learned a lot from the left side of the blogosphere these past four years. By observing the boiling pot of anti-Bush animus, I have realized just how unhinged conservatives must have appeared at times during the Clinton years. I was a sophomore in high school when Bill Clinton was first elected, so I have youth and inexperience to blame for being partly drawn into the crowd that not only disagreed with Clinton's policies, but believed he was intentionally leading our country into socialism, or worse. (I never believed the more extreme allegations, by the way, such as that Vince Foster was murdered and Clinton was involved.)

I wonder how many liberals realize that when they prattle on about Halliburton or Enron they are doing exactly the same thing as the conservatives who couldn't finish a sentence without mentioning Whitewater. As for me, when a Democrat moves into the White House again, I aim to remember the images and words of the angry left and resolve to avoid these (often counterproductive, even for partisan purposes) "gotcha" political games and focus instead on arguments that center on policy.

Posted by Eric Seymour at November 10, 2004 09:14 PM

Comments

Man I totally agree, Bush had made me realize that no Politician will be perfect to me... 200 years of all different types of leaders and the USA is still doing pretty good.

Posted by: Anonymous at November 15, 2004 01:48 PM | permalink

I am undoubtedly in political opposition to your views but I agree about the extremes on either side. Have you noticed that there are still people on the right who believe all of the old crap about Clinton? Some of them draw the line at the murder theories but many don't. As far as Whitewater is concerned I consider the reactions of most conservatives to be a betrayal of our legal system. In other words, if you're not found guilty of anything you should be treated that way. I've seen them all over the blogosphere whether the blog involved is more conservative or liberal. For the Halliburton loons out there my reaction is "Oh, shut up. Do you realize how embarrassing it is to be supporting the same candidate you do?".

OTOH, I do still resent the hell out of this Administration's "expansive" view of executive privilege, including Cheney's treatment of his energy task force membership list like a CIA Top Secret briefing. I'm not fond of Ashcroft though not raving mad about it (Hey, I voted for the dead guy.) and the other day he gave me a good reminder of why when he blasted judges who have ruled against the government in anything to do with how to deal with detainees.

Posted by: Jim S at November 15, 2004 04:14 PM | permalink

What is wrong with mentioning Haliburton?

Cheney was and still is hip-deep in the company, and continues to get money from them.

He was CEO when thown ey committed fraud. Doesn't that bother anyone?

Haliburton has been shown to be committing fraud and corruption in Iraq. How does stating that make me a "loony".

Posted by: Jeff at November 15, 2004 04:18 PM | permalink

It seems to me that Whitewater never really blossomed into anything whereas Enron is pretty much a decided case (we just now need to know who dunnit) so I don't think its correct to put the two together.
I do remember when Clinton was elected how rabid and resentful the Republicans were. One could easily see how desperatley they hated losing the White House. Tom Delay's lovely face always comes to mind here. And after travel-gate, file-gate, the Lincoln bedroom affair, Monica, Gennifer and Paula Jones I knew that the Republicans were not interested in the wellfare of the country, only with bringing the "other guy" down and putting there own party back into the top seat.
That is why I will always have a hard time putting one of them into office. And on the other side of the coin is the "progressive" with their own rants and raves which I why I took Pacifica Radio off me radio auto-dial.

Posted by: Jim Gillies at November 15, 2004 04:50 PM | permalink

It seems to me that Whitewater never really blossomed into anything whereas Enron is pretty much a decided case

True, though the Clintons were key players in the Whitewater deal whereas the connection between Enron and the Bush Administration is tenuous at best. So if you multiply the "proven wrongdoing" factor by the "connection to the administration" factor, I think you get a pretty similar number.

Posted by: Eric Seymour at November 15, 2004 04:58 PM | permalink

I think policy complaints are a much better reason to dislike an administration than any pointless, overhyped "scandals."

As far as I'm concerned, Enron is irrelevant to what I think of the Bush administration. And whatever is uncovered at Halliburton, it is being investigated by the FBI. Even if they find something, it is pretty small time compared to running a country.

The only way Halliburton bothers me much is that it dovetails rather neatly into a real policy complaint I have: all the ridiculous corporate giveaways the Republican Congress has been handing out perfectly legally. Chinese ceiling fans? Manufacturers of tackle boxes? Considering that they're borrowing the money and our kids are going to be paying it back, I find that more than a little annoying.

Likewise, I find invading another country over WMDs (which didn't exist) and operational ties to Al Qaeda (which didn't exist) to be a pretty poor policy decision, compounded by the inadequate troop strength and the failure to provide security in the months following the war that have left Iraq at a dire risk of collapsing into civil war.

In any case, while I'm a Democrat and I have my grips with the Administration, I want nothing to do with the Michael Moore wing of my party. I may not like how the election turned out, but it's over and done with. I don't think the Administration is Satan incarnate, and I don't think the President is plotting to take away all our civil liberties our bankrupt the country. But I'll still be working to take back the White House 4 years from now.

Posted by: AN at November 15, 2004 08:13 PM | permalink

 
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