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		<title>By: locussolus</title>
		<link>http://www.intheagora.com/archives/2004/11/scary_bedtime_stories/comment-page-1/#comment-19341</link>
		<dc:creator>locussolus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A weak dollar&lt;/strong&gt;

Vance at BTD writes that it&#039;s a mistake for the Bush administration to call for the revaluation of the yuan because it will weaken the dollar and make it harder for the US to finance debt: For years we have been able to fund any budget deficit cheaply ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A weak dollar</strong></p>
<p>Vance at BTD writes that it&#8217;s a mistake for the Bush administration to call for the revaluation of the yuan because it will weaken the dollar and make it harder for the US to finance debt: For years we have been able to fund any budget deficit cheaply &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very good points and one that fiscally-conservative liberals (like me!) have been saying for some time.
&lt;p&gt;You omitted three very important issues, one touched on by a responder, and that is oil. interest (rates), and social security.
&lt;p&gt;As for the first, oil is currently priced in dollars which has two effects.  First, it causes a lot of countries (like China, until recently) to hold a lot of dollars so that they can use those dollars to buy oil.  They get those dollars, effectively, by lending the US treasury money -- i.e. taking an investment position in the dollar.
&lt;p&gt;China is dumping its dollar holdings for two reasons.  First, it&#039;s losing confidence in the dollar long-term and, second, it no longer wishes to finance a nation with which it will very soon come into direct competition with for that oil.
&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s also the &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; real possibility that the world, in  response to a whole lot of things, including a plummeting dollar and the fact that the world hates us, will switch to the Euro as the denomination by which oil is traded.  If that happens, and I think it will, it will be apocalyptic.
&lt;p&gt;Finally, on this point, roughly half of our foreign trade deficit comes from oil -- in that we buy other people&#039;s oil and ship it here.  As the price of oil goes up, our deficit goes up.
&lt;p&gt;As for the second, interest rates, they have no where to go but up.  More and more of our debt is being held by foreigners (as Paul points out, we&#039;re not buying it ourselves (save Social Security, see below).  Those foreigners are losing confidence.  In order to assuage the increasing risk of US treasury bills and notes (once the safest investment in the world), interest rates have to rise in order to entice people (i.e. other countries) to buy them.  Debt service will soon become the dominant item in federal spending.
&lt;p&gt;And the third, Social Security.  The Social Security Administration currently buys about $100 billion dollars a year of US debt (because SS runs a surplus).  This, at least, represents domestic investment in our debt which is preferable to foreign investment (see above).
&lt;p&gt;If the administration is successful in privatizing social security, even partially, then someone else will have to be found to buy part or all of that $100 billion shortfall.  If that&#039;s going to be foreigners, or even domestic investors, that will come at a very high price.
&lt;p&gt;In short, we&#039;re priming ourselves for a collapse of the American economy one that we may not be able to dig ourselves out of.
&lt;p&gt;What can we do?  Invest, while we still have the time and the money, in a massive domestic energy program.  This will most likely come in the form of procedures to reduce realign energy consumption, not find new sources (there are none to be found, except nuclear, which we will have to develop breakneck).  This will come at the severe expense of some industries (the airlines, trucking, automotive) but will also have the upside of providing massive domestic spending and investment in new industries.
&lt;p&gt;Raise taxes.  Fast.  On those sectors most able to take the hit, namely those sectors which have seen the greatest tax cuts -- corporations and the wealthy.
&lt;p&gt;Reform corporations.  Specifically, close loopholes which allow corporations to move their headquarters to tax havens, such as Bermuda, while still enjoying the protections of the US taxpayer (such as intellectual property protection, etc.).  You move to Bermuda, fine.  Let the Bermuda Government protect your assets.
&lt;p&gt;Cut spending, drastically.  We&#039;re going to have to take the axe to corporate welfare ($100-150 billion/year) as well as defense spending.  We&#039;ve also got to do something about government healthcare spending which, ironically, means we&#039;ve got to look at nationalized healthcare along the lines of the other first-world democracies.
greg&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points and one that fiscally-conservative liberals (like me!) have been saying for some time.
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<p>You omitted three very important issues, one touched on by a responder, and that is oil. interest (rates), and social security.
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<p>As for the first, oil is currently priced in dollars which has two effects.  First, it causes a lot of countries (like China, until recently) to hold a lot of dollars so that they can use those dollars to buy oil.  They get those dollars, effectively, by lending the US treasury money &#8212; i.e. taking an investment position in the dollar.
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<p>China is dumping its dollar holdings for two reasons.  First, it&#8217;s losing confidence in the dollar long-term and, second, it no longer wishes to finance a nation with which it will very soon come into direct competition with for that oil.
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<p>There&#8217;s also the <i>very</i> real possibility that the world, in  response to a whole lot of things, including a plummeting dollar and the fact that the world hates us, will switch to the Euro as the denomination by which oil is traded.  If that happens, and I think it will, it will be apocalyptic.
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<p>Finally, on this point, roughly half of our foreign trade deficit comes from oil &#8212; in that we buy other people&#8217;s oil and ship it here.  As the price of oil goes up, our deficit goes up.
</p>
<p>As for the second, interest rates, they have no where to go but up.  More and more of our debt is being held by foreigners (as Paul points out, we&#8217;re not buying it ourselves (save Social Security, see below).  Those foreigners are losing confidence.  In order to assuage the increasing risk of US treasury bills and notes (once the safest investment in the world), interest rates have to rise in order to entice people (i.e. other countries) to buy them.  Debt service will soon become the dominant item in federal spending.
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<p>And the third, Social Security.  The Social Security Administration currently buys about $100 billion dollars a year of US debt (because SS runs a surplus).  This, at least, represents domestic investment in our debt which is preferable to foreign investment (see above).
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<p>If the administration is successful in privatizing social security, even partially, then someone else will have to be found to buy part or all of that $100 billion shortfall.  If that&#8217;s going to be foreigners, or even domestic investors, that will come at a very high price.
</p>
<p>In short, we&#8217;re priming ourselves for a collapse of the American economy one that we may not be able to dig ourselves out of.
</p>
<p>What can we do?  Invest, while we still have the time and the money, in a massive domestic energy program.  This will most likely come in the form of procedures to reduce realign energy consumption, not find new sources (there are none to be found, except nuclear, which we will have to develop breakneck).  This will come at the severe expense of some industries (the airlines, trucking, automotive) but will also have the upside of providing massive domestic spending and investment in new industries.
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<p>Raise taxes.  Fast.  On those sectors most able to take the hit, namely those sectors which have seen the greatest tax cuts &#8212; corporations and the wealthy.
</p>
<p>Reform corporations.  Specifically, close loopholes which allow corporations to move their headquarters to tax havens, such as Bermuda, while still enjoying the protections of the US taxpayer (such as intellectual property protection, etc.).  You move to Bermuda, fine.  Let the Bermuda Government protect your assets.
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<p>Cut spending, drastically.  We&#8217;re going to have to take the axe to corporate welfare ($100-150 billion/year) as well as defense spending.  We&#8217;ve also got to do something about government healthcare spending which, ironically, means we&#8217;ve got to look at nationalized healthcare along the lines of the other first-world democracies.<br />
greg</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,
Good summary, in my mind the fall in the value of the dollar is almost a sure thing over the next few years.
Unfortunately most Americans don&#039;t understand exactly how it affects them, but it does.  Biggest example; high gas prices, since oil is quoted in dollars, when the value of the dollar drops, the price of oil goes up.
Fortunately there are easy things Americans can do to protect themselves from some of the effects of the dollar drop, for example invest in non-dollar denominated assets as well as gold and natural resources. Unfortunately most of the people Americans turn to for investment advice neglect to explain how important that is.
-Tim
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,<br />
Good summary, in my mind the fall in the value of the dollar is almost a sure thing over the next few years.<br />
Unfortunately most Americans don&#8217;t understand exactly how it affects them, but it does.  Biggest example; high gas prices, since oil is quoted in dollars, when the value of the dollar drops, the price of oil goes up.<br />
Fortunately there are easy things Americans can do to protect themselves from some of the effects of the dollar drop, for example invest in non-dollar denominated assets as well as gold and natural resources. Unfortunately most of the people Americans turn to for investment advice neglect to explain how important that is.<br />
-Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Kermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Europe too.  I came here in Janruary 2003 and the first thing I did was take out 500 euro a day at the ATMs here and put my money in a bank here.  It was a good move as the euro has gone up like 25 cents on the dollar since then.  You should get your money out of the states now if you are going to be living here for any length of time.
Well that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Europe too.  I came here in Janruary 2003 and the first thing I did was take out 500 euro a day at the ATMs here and put my money in a bank here.  It was a good move as the euro has gone up like 25 cents on the dollar since then.  You should get your money out of the states now if you are going to be living here for any length of time.<br />
Well that</p>
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		<title>By: van</title>
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		<dc:creator>van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the government really cared about savings, it would not double tax the money.  Yes, there is not encouragement to save for a variety of reasons.  For me, by the time I put my money in a bank with its pidly interest rate, I have lost money.  Also, any interest earned is taxed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the government really cared about savings, it would not double tax the money.  Yes, there is not encouragement to save for a variety of reasons.  For me, by the time I put my money in a bank with its pidly interest rate, I have lost money.  Also, any interest earned is taxed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharpshanks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharpshanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul, you forgot to mention this little tidbit, a couple of weeks ago, new Fed issues hit the street up here.  Typically Asian buyers scoop these up in a hurry.  This latest round though?  All quiet on the eastern front.  Gotta buddy a BofA saying he&#039;s never seen anything like it in 25 years of trading.  Hiss... goes the bubble.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul, you forgot to mention this little tidbit, a couple of weeks ago, new Fed issues hit the street up here.  Typically Asian buyers scoop these up in a hurry.  This latest round though?  All quiet on the eastern front.  Gotta buddy a BofA saying he&#8217;s never seen anything like it in 25 years of trading.  Hiss&#8230; goes the bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and it&#039;s measured in kuai.  Changes to be made momentarily; thanks for catching it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and it&#8217;s measured in kuai.  Changes to be made momentarily; thanks for catching it.</p>
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		<title>By: wulong</title>
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		<dc:creator>wulong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be nitpicky, but China&#039;s currency is either RMB or yuan; never yen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be nitpicky, but China&#8217;s currency is either RMB or yuan; never yen.</p>
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